Conversation #5: Rules of Engagement
Definitely a lot of bullet points on this rule, and I know there has been a lot of conversation! So feel free to discuss with us what you think about this rule and anything that should be simplified or elaborated on. Please keep it civil!
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Rules of Engagement
Different types of situations allow for different types of RP. Does the situation your involved in carry high stakes that your character would realistically respond in a lethal way too?
- Bank trucks for example carry high stakes and it would not be deemed improper escalation or failure to initiate to shoot to kill without warning, this is what we call Engagement Without Initiation situation.
- You cannot ambush people to kill them on sight. You must engage verbally and ask them to leave or take them captive. Provide some sort of RP.
- Gang Turf: Official gangs can engage with each other in gang areas in accordance with the rules of escalation or with prior verbal warnings. I.E. Rival gang continues to enter your gangs territory after being told not to, once they have been warned once that day you can openly engage on them even without a declaration of war
- Crims engaging Police: It is only ok to openly engage police in a shootout when you have knowingly been stopped for a felony offense, have an active warrant, or if you have ran from the police, cornered, while already having a weapon out. Baiting them into a shootout just for a shootout will result in points against yourself.
- Armored Trucks & Drug Supply Points *EXCEPT WEED FIELDS*.
- You cannot be arguing or have a disagreement with someone then go straight to shooting, that would be improper escalation.
- Be mindful of highly visible public locations, Food joints, public job locations, public buildings. Places what would have some sort of CCTV and pedestrian presence, have some imagination.
- Traffic stops: It is NOT acceptable for your character to kill people over this. Let police have some roleplay.
- Store robberies, you need verbal initiation.
- Player robberies, you need verbal initiation.
- Non gang members cannot be engaged without initiation on gang turf. (This includes police officers)
Explain to me the difference between "shoot to kill without warning" and "ambush"? I would call that a semantic difference from the perspective of the ones being shot. One of those things is allowed & the other isn't. I maintain that they are essentially the same thing.
Ambushes require premeditation, it's something planned. The other rule is situational and has to be on the spot based on what's going on at that certain bank truck, if you want to take it for yourself or just deny an enemy of yours the claim, you can do so without giving them a warning beforehand as everyone that wants to get involved with it is already on high alert. The person planning the heist does so for the money, not to ambush other people (besides the truck itself which isn't player driven) the ones that come due to noticing it do so due to seeing it happen, they won't know about it to plan an ambush on other people that unknowingly walk into it. (Again, the original crew or individual that plans the heist is already aware that it's a hotspot and whoever sees it and wants to do an impromptu heist knows what they're potentially walking into too).
Hope I'm not the only one that sees the two rules as being separate, but at the same time it should be further explained that the only "shoot to kill" should be on people that are clearly getting involved in the situation, not a person minding his own business 2 streets down from the truck.
We're having this conversation but for now we don't even know if we'll be able to take someone else's truck without holding them up after they actually steal the money.
Edit : I think the latter rule is simply to avoid people doing dumb shit like camping in a bush or a rooftop to shoot someone with no warning or anything. Whilst I don't personally have a problem with that happening if it's for good reasons with prior RP, I can see why on an RP server you'd want to avoid that.